Curse

Lord Bishop Stone · Apr 17, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01

As I said before and I will say again I have no problems with the class but with many of the people who play the class and reading this post only cements my point of view. I will take a good sin on a mission anytime but most sins I come across have a elitist attitude they dont want to follow any sort of plan they think its all about them and how great they are or how wonderful they look in their armor, they are rude and call anyone and everyone a noob for not better reason then the fact that they think they are better then everyone else, A few of my friend have sins and I will play with them anytime but to pug with a sin is just asking for a headach and a failed mission with them blaming everyone else or just leaving half way through... the class is fine its the class of many of people who play sins that the problem lies. I have found that sins in general seem to be rude, crude, nasty self centered and all around jerks (not saying that all sins are like this and there are many people that play other classes that are the same way just that the sin profession seems to gather more of these types then other professions.)

Kiba of hidden leaf · Apr 17, 2007, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Ill stick with my AoD builds. I can honestly say my favorite skill

ensoriki · Apr 17, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by Lord Bishop Stone

As I said before and I will say again I have no problems with the class but with many of the people who play the class and reading this post only cements my point of view. I will take a good sin on a mission anytime but most sins I come across have a elitist attitude they dont want to follow any sort of plan they think its all about them and how great they are or how wonderful they look in their armor, they are rude and call anyone and everyone a noob for not better reason then the fact that they think they are better then everyone else, A few of my friend have sins and I will play with them anytime but to pug with a sin is just asking for a headach and a failed mission with them blaming everyone else or just leaving half way through... the class is fine its the class of many of people who play sins that the problem lies. I have found that sins in general seem to be rude, crude, nasty self centered and all around jerks (not saying that all sins are like this and there are many people that play other classes that are the same way just that the sin profession seems to gather more of these types then other professions.)

I blame rap music.....and Naruto.

Tarantus · Apr 17, 2007, 09:26 PM // 21:26

I honestly can't remember the last time I had/saw any 'assassin hate', I thought those days were over. Don't judge people by their armour, what if they simply don't like the 5/10/15k armours. Although I admit a more dedicated assassin player would probably buy the more expensive armour, not everybody is the same(that's not a bad thing either).

Phantom Flux · Apr 17, 2007, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by Kiba of hidden leaf

Ill stick with my AoD builds. I can honestly say my favorite skill

Aod is my favorite Assassin Skill too. I also like Shadow Meld. With them you step in and out when it gets good and nasty. Even when you get disenchanted, it's still all good.

Flashing blades however, a bit overrated. Yes bring a self heal since most of the monk players you'd encouter would refuse to heal an assassin, but if you are to use flashing blades, atleast bring a smart shadow step in and out skill. With FB you're a generic tank. You maybe half as good as a warrior, but in the long run, it's just another Assassin build reinforcing why people mostly hate on assassins.

glaz · Apr 17, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22

imo, it all comes to this:

One Must Know When To Get In And When To Get Out.

ive played an assassin, and probably more importantly, ive played monk with an assassin in my party. imo, if the assassin knows how to fully utilize the window of opportunity he has to unleash his stuff, then he IS a good player.

imo, armor and titles dont tell anything. ive played with an assassin with a survivor title, and all he did in the party was spam healing spells and staying at the back. armor, on the other hand just tells you how "financially blessed" he is.

to really know how an assassin plays, the only way is to invite him to the party. if he keeps getting killed, tell him what he's doing wrong. and if he doesn't listen, then dont heal him at all.

Kiba of hidden leaf · Apr 18, 2007, 03:30 AM // 03:30

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Originally Posted by ensoriki

I blame rap music.....and Naruto.

Even people who dont know what Naruto is will just act like a ninja. Blame it or not, its not the reason. For the rap part, I would like an explanation because I don't get it(is it making them go TO THE WINDOWS! TO THE WALL!)LOL!

Edit: I know why Naruto and dead sin come together now. Mostly young kids like naruto and this game requires you to make mature thoughts to stay alive. Sorry if I was a little slow on that.

Shuuda · Apr 18, 2007, 10:20 AM // 10:20

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

Aod is my favorite Assassin Skill too. I also like Shadow Meld. With them you step in and out when it gets good and nasty. Even when you get disenchanted, it's still all good.

Flashing blades however, a bit overrated. Yes bring a self heal since most of the monk players you'd encouter would refuse to heal an assassin, but if you are to use flashing blades, atleast bring a smart shadow step in and out skill. With FB you're a generic tank. You maybe half as good as a warrior, but in the long run, it's just another Assassin build reinforcing why people mostly hate on assassins.

Flashing blades is actually better than most warrior stances for tanking, due to 2 simple reasons 1) it can be kept up all the time. 2) It takes out no point from your weapon mastery (To get lots out of a warrior stance you must invest into tactics/ strength)

AoD is still an awsmoe skill dispite being a bit uncommon these days, I normally take Shadow walk, it pretty much the same idea as AoD but frees my elite slot for something else.

At 1st glance Shadow Meld looks just like recall, but the difference between them is rather important. For example, flag running, you activate SM outside of the area of combat, when you need to run the flag, you can end SM and get safely far out of the battle, which would be harder to do with recall. It also has uses in RA/TA where you can use it to get out of action if you need some time to res a teammate.

Speaking of uncommon elites, Mark of Insecrity has always looked attractive to me, pack deadly paradox and some Deadly arts or Mesmer skills, and it could prove to be annoying shut down.

God Apprentice · Apr 18, 2007, 10:32 AM // 10:32

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Originally Posted by Kiba of hidden leaf

Ill stick with my AoD builds. I can honestly say my favorite skill

When Factions beta came out and I unlocked this elite I knew I was gonna have fun in AB

Spartan Link · Apr 18, 2007, 11:08 AM // 11:08

why hate assassin? As a fellow assasin user I would think all you assassin haters are crazy. assassins are as good as all other meele combatants, people just dont understand their capaibility. just because they played with one or two thats not really good doesnt mean all of them are no good. The only real problem are the people using them not the character class.

ppl like warriors because they have fat health and can take lots of beating with monks constantly healing them as their first priority.
ppl like deverish because they have the forms and lots of fancy area dmg attacks and enchanments.

but they are both liability as well to a group if the players who use them is not good. I have played with lots of players who uses warriors and deverish but they die almost as much as assassins.
pluse assassin players are not the only ones that leaves half way through missions many people leaves doesnt matter what class they use.
and alot of people like to boast about their skill and builds as well why does everyone just point fingers at assassins and say they are the only one that does it?

if you ask me the only real thing to hate is players who think they are better than everyone else boasting about their armour and skill being perfect and telling others that they are noobs.

(I have gotten masters for all the missions with only henches and heros for bothe factions and night fall with my assassin and i dont see whats bad about them)

Shuuda · Apr 18, 2007, 11:12 AM // 11:12

Why did you call us crazy when many of us are defending assassin?
Don't take that as an insult, everything else you have said I agree with.

Spartan Link · Apr 18, 2007, 11:22 AM // 11:22

ah sry for that i found out i had a error in my sentencing so i changed it XD to (All you assassin haters) XD

Twilight_Theory · Apr 18, 2007, 12:57 PM // 12:57

I don't hate assassins it is just I have so many bad experiences with them that I rather not risk it in pve. Especially the infamous naruto assassins. I advoid any assassin with the name umikaze,naruto,sasuke, and kakashi. In pvp though I will gladly take an assassin with out me because they rock in pvp. I think the BoA build pre nerf didn't help the assassin's image. I personally had no problem with it since I knew how to conter it <3 blind.

In pve survivability is very important. I have seen assassins carry just shadow refuge on their skillbar as a heal and I don't see the logic in it. You have much better spike heals like death's retreat,heart of the shadow, etc. Shadow refuge is good against degen but if the dgen is soo much then one would think it is best to port out.

But i think assassins make great secondary proffessions for most proffessions.

Samurai-JM · Apr 18, 2007, 03:31 PM // 15:31

I wish there was a cure for stupidity... /sigh

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Originally Posted by ensoriki

I blame rap music.....and Naruto.

Yes. War on Narutards!

Shuuda · Apr 18, 2007, 04:01 PM // 16:01

There is a cure for stupidity, it's called a good education.

Yanman.be · Apr 18, 2007, 06:00 PM // 18:00

ya ma kidz r ganna get sum edumacazion

ensoriki · Apr 18, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

[QUOTE=Spartan Link]

why hate assassin? As a fellow assasin user I would think all you assassin haters are crazy.
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I don't see many reasons why people would hate sins either, but if their argument is logical than why would they be crazy?

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assassins are as good as all other meele combatants, people just dont understand their capaibility. just because they played with one or two thats not really good doesnt mean all of them are no good. The only real problem are the people using them not the character class.
[/QOUTE] Most people are not basing from a once or twice scenario they either do this from personal experience of finding the class hard, or many failed attempts. The real problem is not always the people using them, well of course it is in a way, but most people started GW when warrior was the only melee class. They would try to play it like a warrior, and in other MMO's an assassin class would not have shadow step capabilities, their used to charging in. Though ya, not the classes fault.

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ppl like warriors because they have fat health and can take lots of beating with monks constantly healing them as their first priority.
ppl like deverish because they have the forms and lots of fancy area dmg attacks and enchanments.
[/QOUTE] Warriors dont have fat health, they have health Adjustments, but so does ritualist and monks, and Rangers have symbiosis.... and anything can take a beating now your just making warriors seem useless (although I kinda think they are)
Don't go smacking the dervish please...its just like....not cool. Dervishes had to go through some of the beef sins went through.

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but they are both liability as well to a group if the players who use them is not good. I have played with lots of players who uses warriors and deverish but they die almost as much as assassins.
pluse assassin players are their skill and builds as well why does everyone just point fingers at assassins and say they are the only one that does it?

[/QOUTE] The thing is a Liability which isnt as hard to screw up. I mean a idiot MM would be pretty annoying but well the build is noob friendly. so is some dervish stuff, would you rather have something where if someone messes up they can easily screw themselves or a class where idiots can fix themselves. Your other point is giving me a headache.

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if you ask me the only real thing to hate is players who think they are better than everyone else boasting about their armour and skill being perfect and telling others that they are noobs.

[/Qoute} So you wish to hate 3/4 of the GW community...

...mmm I just needed someone to nitpick on.

Assassins are a great class and stuff, but from the latest skill changes I've seen, A-Net is trying to make everything else even better

moko · Apr 18, 2007, 08:41 PM // 20:41

hai guise wuts goin on in dis thread? is dis p2p? im so confused help me pls i dun know wuts goin on!!!! dis is kl u guys r kl ninjas hi im new

OK

so can this thread go back on the actual topic please?

^poster above, its called "quote", not "qoute".

Yanman.be · Apr 18, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

And [ != { && ] != }

Samurai-JM · Apr 18, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by ensoriki

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if you ask me the only real thing to hate is players who think they are better than everyone else boasting about their armour and skill being perfect and telling others that they are noobs.

So you wish to hate 3/4 of the GW community...

...mmm I just needed someone to nitpick on.

Assassins are a great class and stuff, but from the latest skill changes I've seen, A-Net is trying to make everything else even better

Uhh? Assassins have been buffed more than any other class in the game so far. Other than BoA(which was VERY MUCH needed, and still easily replaced, and which isn't even an assassin skill) Assassin's haven't been nerfed much at all. Sharpen Daggers, Deadly Paradox, and Feigned Neutrality were the only real big ones, and they are all easily replaced.

And about the boasting about certain game aspects, its true. Armor means nothing more than you are willing to spend many hours of your life to achieve something based entirely on looks. FOW armor has no advantages over 1.5k shing jea armor TBH. I mean I agree its great to look nice and unique in the game, but boasting about getting it? That only shows one thing, and I'm not going to say it because I'll get flamed straight out of GW. It's usually the same with other achievements, anyone can get them as long as they are willing to invest the time to do it. Some people do just need to realize that it's a game...

BUT back on topic: Assassins. Anyone seeing any differences in PUGs lately? I wouldn't know as I've been on my Ritualist and Warrior getting through the games, but hopefully some people are being a bit smarter about Assassins(and other characters) in teams. For example if your team leader doesn't ask everyone to present their builds and ping skills, leave the party. It won't be going far. Hopefully new players are learning how to play them correctly as well... I hate seeing other assassins and realizing how badly they play when the person behind them isn't serious about it.